I think that there is a very serious topic that needs to be addressed, and since I am applying for DOI already this is really apt. I am now 99k and sometimes when I disconnect, people are actually nice about it and give the seat back to me because I assume they know it isn't my fault to have been disconnected from the habbo website.
However I have witnessed lower rank Agents disconnecting and losing their seats to other workers, and in the situation I have witnessed it was a Higher Management worker. The Agent did get his seat back, but was however told by someone higher ranking that if he disconnected, the seat was no longer his.
In my opinion it is completely unfair as no one can actually control whether or not they would be disconnected.
My suggestion would be that we have a one minute rule for these type of situations. If the worker who has been disconnected from habbo does not come back within a minute, the seat may be considered as a 'free arrow'. Of course, the two minute rule still applies.
I just think that it is unfair, especially for the lower ranks to have seats taken when they have no control over the disconnection.
I believe that this new rule that I hope will be implemented will make the UN a more enjoyable workplace as workers who have disconnected will no longer feel the need to fight for the seat and will want to come back after disconnection as they know their seat is safe for at least a minute. This will also prevent further drama at the front desks as lower ranks fight for the empty seat.
I believe that someone disconnecting in Habbo is not on purpose thus having the 1 min implementation is a fair enough timing for him/her to connectback to get the seat back. Because we all experience disconnection once in a while and when you come back and your seat is gone, the feeling is not good especially when its your turn to have the points !
It would be more better if we'll have a 1 minute Disconnection Rule, cause its unfair to the others that were'nt meant to be disconnected, So I'll hope that UN will Agree to this New Rule.
As a lower ranking member of the UN, i was a victim of getting disconnected from habbo and losing my seat to the other members who was eager to work and earn rewards. It was a frustrating moment for me as I had already sat and worked for a long time for the arrow to reach my seat but within a minute my seat was taken by others due to some random disconnection. With this 1 minute disconnection rule, people who was disconnected have a chance of making it back to their seat and earn the reward they deserve. Thus, I fully support this 1 minute disconnection rule.
The idea of 'Do-Not-Yet-Steal-My-Seat-For-1min-When-I-DC Rule' or 'Disconnection Rule' or whatever you call it, is pretty briliant actually. I mean it's really unfair for the lower rank, when they dc then some ass took it and would not give it and say 'Well, suck it! You just got disconnected.. so not my prob lol' yeah, so anyways, wish this new rule will apply to everyone :D
tbh i think no matter what rule we have people will still fight over the seat, everyones net is different some take longer then others but i do agree that this will help in a few ways
I agree that even if this rule is in effect, workers will still fight for the seat regardless because after all it is a free arrow. However I believe that this rule, if implemented and highlighted strongly will slowly prevent such fights over seats as with the two and fifteen minute rule. Also, a one minute chance is better than no chance of a seat back at all. Thank you for your reply and view on my post sistaa :D
I feel that this rule is a great idea since it gives the agent a chance to get back to their seat if they so happen to dc due to their browser issue or Internet connectivity of which they have totally no control over. maybe UN will be a better place with this rule in place as it will help put a stop to arrow hunters and create a more peaceful environment; especially for new agents at FTF.
Totally supporting this idea. Hope it gets implemented.
Agreed. Actually, UN used to have it, not sure why it was taken down or whatnot. Originally, when you got disconnected, if you came back within 2 mins, you will be able to claim it back.
I agree with her idea as alot of ppl is like too "possive" of their arrows when they see a "free" arrow (i'm one of them) :P okay there was used to be a rule like otah said that if u DCed u can "claim" back ur arrow and i totally agree on that no one wants to DC and its also not right too get their seat with arrows stolen as the person could have worked hard for that and its totally unfair and i hope this NEW rule will be put in place to protect the lower ranking members to rank up and not be bullied by high rankers like myself.
I think this is a good idea with the 1 minute rule, but has some flaws, as Book pointed out, there will be fights, everybodies internet is different. I usually dont d/c, but my computer is slow.
"However I have witnessed lower rank Agents disconnecting and losing their seats to other workers, and in the situation I have witnessed it was a Higher
Management worker. The Agent did get his seat back, but was however told by someone higher ranking that if he disconnected, the seat was no longer his."
That is a great example right there. I think we need to adress that there is a good time to use that rule, and a bad time.
Thanks elizabeth <3
-The Bearded One, Justin
Thank you for the comment Justin ^^
Our OOA+ team will be discussing and looking to this. A proper reply will be given soon.
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I feel that the one minute disconnection rule is a fairly good idea ! As there was an incident where i had a random disconnection and someone took away my seat when i reconnected but after asking for my seat back he/she declined to return my seat and i couldn't do anything but to wait for another round.
I AGREE with 1 min disconetion rule !! :D
yes. the disconnection rule should be in effect. No one is in control of why they disconnect and should'nt be punished. It is'nt fair that so many people lost an aarow from disconnect and aarow hunters
This rule would actually work in most instances where I've sen arguments over seats. I mean you can't fix every single problem there is, but this will push them down by a significant number hopefully! There should be a stickie inside of the base with rules like these, for newer Agents and other levels to see, since not everyone uses the fourms as much as they should.
Yes, actually the stickies are an excellent idea for the two and fifteen minute rules as well! I'd suggest them to be in the training room so we can highlight them especially to trainees.
I definitely agree with that idea. Other people's connection may take longer than 1 min but at least we're given a chance to go back to our seat. Even though other people will still try to steal it, especially those who may be unaware of the 1 min rule, it is a good start in preventing workers from fighting over the free chair.
i totally agree with u guys, disconnection is a big problem in this organistation. I find that when workers are seated and the disconnect they automatically lose their seat. ITs really unfiar to those who have been sitting waitng on the arrow, it has happen to me countless times , when i return i would normally try to get by my seat but its no use. i agree with elizabeth on her satement where it show tht we should have a 1min rule about the disconnection problem :)
i think that this rule is good but maybe it could go to 2 mins if they r having difecultys but other then that its a good rule
I agree that while 2 minutes is more than enough time especially if the worker's internet is facing difficulties, I think that we should take into consideration the already implied two minute rule (that if an arrow is under two minutes, no one is allowed to take it). For example if the worker disconnects at let's say 03:00 and is given two minutes of grace, the waiting workers would have to wait til' the timer reaches 01:00 which is already below two minutes. It would not be very fair to both parties in my opinion if there is to be this two minute rule. However if the worker disconnects at the same time and is given that minute of grace,but doesn't come back by then, workers would still be free to take the seat as it would be just 02:00 or 02:01. To be more precise, an extra five seconds may be given to the existing two minute rule. (If the seat is under 02:05 the seat is not to be taken) which would also be fair to waiting workers. In conclusion the one minute is sufficient and fair time.
We could always implement both rules together. Like let's say, you got disconnected, just be back before the timer reached 1:59.
Yes that's true, but what about the instances where people disconnect at 03:00?
I agree to the rule as I always come up with the same problem. And I guess that each one of us must be thought to wait if someone just disappear from his/her seat, but I think it is still up to the person to give the seat back to the real owner :) Let us be kind.
I definitely agree to this one minute rule!!c: As a PC and Mobile user, the Habbo app tends to disconnect more and lags very often than when I use my PC. There are quite a few UN workers, including me and my friends, who uses the mobile app and struggles with the same problem. We can't get seat backs if we intended to leave our seats but we didn't intend to disconnect, it's something we can't help and have to deal with. Thank you for bringing this up!!c:
Aw bae thank you :'D
I wholeheartedly concur to this splendid idea concocted by Elizabeth. The internet, like the weather, can be quite unpredictable. At times, due to numerous reasons beyond a person's control, internet connections may be severed by unkown reasons. This newly proposed 1-minute rule can certainly alleviate some of the petty bickerings that arise from situations such as these, such bickerings being quite prevalent from what I've seen. This allows the player to have the chance to regain the arrow that he/she has been working so hard on if the connection was merely disrupted ephemerally. Thank you for your kind consideration regarding this magnificent idea; it certainly seems that a lot of fellow members are pleased about this.
Omg yes so true I agree with you 100% higher ranks take advantage of the power there given and treat lowers like crap.
So you're saying that every single high rank takes advantage of there power? I'm personally insulted by this.
I don't think she means it that way Tony. I am sure that in her experiences she has witnessed high ranks acting inappropriately or maybe not to her liking so in her opinion, they were abusing their power. I can vouch for her because I have witnessed her situation where she was unhappy with a higher ranking member because of a certain issue which will remain confidential. I don't think you should take her comment seriously, after all different people see things differently.
I didn't mean you or EVER high rank just the cocky one that take advantage they know who they are.
These are actually pretty good responses, it's great that the community has agreed to a post like this :)
pl0x :D
I agree with the people that would like a disconnection rule as i think it is so not fair and so irritating when you disconnect, come back into the room and your seat has been taken. But it is even worse when the 'theif' will not give your seat back as i have experienced it and whitnessed it.
Therefore, managers of the UN should create a '1 minute disconnection' rule which can get you your seat back even if you disconnect or something else. I really think it would be helpful for people who dont have high class computers/laptops or the highest wifi connection or just people who disconnect in general.
I must agree to this as i've disconnected many times before and didn't get my seat back even if I asked nicely multiple times :(
Yeah same here, then again some people lie about disconnecting and previously having the seat so its havoc
I agree that certain workers may take advantage and lie about disconnecting. As mentioned by Justin previously, we need to acknowledge that there are good and bad times to use this rule. However I still believe that it should be implemented. After all, what do workers have to gain when they only have a minute's advantage in their lie?
People have pointed out there are flaws in this rule. However, the fact of the matter is, disconnecting is just impossible to prove a vast majority of the time but it still does happen. Since it's a short time period, it does allow time to return but not so much time that it could be wildly abused.
I do believe there may be some moderation problems however, considering regardless of the intentions of implementing this rule, there will be people who will want to exploit. I definitely think it would be interesting and it should at least be considered to implement a rule of this nature, even if it's not exactly as stated in the original post.
Long story short, I really like the idea of something like this!
I too experienced this problem before and it really pisses me off especially when the arrow is pointing at me. I log in again in habbo, return to HQ and the next thing I know my seats taken by another person and i have to wait 35 mins again. So, yeah, that would be useful to new recruits like me who work hard to go up the Ladder.
There are some problems to this rule which I have proposed which have been brought up throughout this forum such as;
In my opinion as previously said, I don't think workers would be inclined or tempted to lie about disconnection as they would have nothing to gain in that short time span of a minute. I also think that it would be pretty easy to spot a disconnection as workers would just disappear from their seats, hence the lies of disconnection scenario would be rare. However if there should be an instance of a lie of disconnection, I feel that the seat should then be given to the next waiting worker provided that the arrow is not under 02:00 in accordance with the two minute rule. (It may be hard to spot lying workers as well, so I would leave that up to the HM's judgement)
Regarding the exploitation of this one minute disconnection rule, I can't think right now of any scenarios of exploitation so if you do have one, please leave a reply. But as said previously by Dustin, "Since it's a short time period, it does allow time to return but not so much time that it could be wildly abused." which would conclude this concern.
There will be no doubt (new or uninformed) workers such as arrow hunters by nature and eager workers who will be fighting over that empty seat in the time the disconnected worker is gone, however I believe that this problem could be slowly overcome with a strong highlight to this rule. Every worker would just have to play a part in making sure the rules are closely followed and polietly inform the bickering workers of the two and one minute rule.
With the major disconnections due to Habbo recently, I do believe that this has become a problem in the UN as well especially with workers who are at their turn at the arrow. This is an issue that no one has control over, and is no longer a problem of internet or wi-fi connectivity. This one minute disconnection rule should then not be applied to instances like these as everyone would have lost their seats and arrows, which does not then entitle the worker with the arrow on them to the first of arrows in the room.
Now there is the matter regarding arrow hunters, I believe that this rule and the two minute one would decrease the number of arrow hunters in the UN, and that this will also save some of the trouble for Owners to have to spot and deduct these arrow hunters accordingly. It is a fact that nobody likes arrow hunters, especially if they are the ones to take the empty seat when a worker has disconnected and refuses to give it back or simply ignores them. Hence, in my opinion the implementation of this rule might decrease the numbers of arrow hunters in the UN.
In my original post, I specifically mentioned lower ranking Agents and higher ranking ones. This would be because of my observation in the UN where I have seen countless instances of lower ranks losing seats to higher ranks. Of course, the ratio of good instances to the bad ones is still at a 2:1. This is something that is in no relation to my suggestion of the rule, but is something that I would like to talk about. It is honestly up to the goodwill of the higher ranks to treat our lower ranks with some respect and give the seats back to them, this I believe would also bring the lower and higher ranks closer.
Please feel free to reply to this post, as I am sure that not everything I've said here is right in other worker's point of views.
To be fair this is some solution but has its flaws as you've already pointed out, i agree this should be a new rule however no one is going to really know how long you have been gone and therefore it will be one persons word against another which can only end in one getting upset over the whole situation. I just think people are arrow hungry therefore have no kind intentions in giving the seat back to people who may have disconnected. That's my opinion. You have alot of support anyways so i cant not seeing this being not atleast thought about.
Tbh, If there is a free arrow, In my opinion, people with the rank Operations + Should be giving that seat to a lower rank such as an agent. The 1minute rule will not be taken for encounter, as many people will come in to the base and see a free arrow, this could be during the 1minute period, how are they supposed to know if someone has dc'ed in that seat. I totatly agree with your point, but it just wont work with all honesty.
This can also cause conflict within in base arguing 1 on to who knows how many, This is UN's #1 thing, not to start a Scene. We don't need anymore scene starters!
If you were to put it this way, the 2 min rule will also cause a scene in base. But that is impt because it prevents arrow hunters. That is not solving the issue of causing a scene and what not. Its about solving the problem of DCing in your seat due to uncontrolled events like internet going cranky and what not. It would not be fair for the agents who have been working at the seat to be left high and dry when they get DCed and their arrow stolen. Its about integrity and trust and I feel that this will make UN a much more condusive and more enjoyable place to work in; especially the newer agents.
Thank you for being so honest with your opinions, it's really given me something to think about.
Well maybe the agents in the adjacent seats can vouch for them that he/she really did disappear due to DC. I mean this is totally based on a trust; so I would suggest that this option will still be viable and that we should have a trial period of maybe 1 month to see how it will turn out. Should there be more complaints than positive feedback, we can always brainstorm and work out a more comprehensive solution to tackle this DC problem and arrow hunters.
We can always give it a shot, but most likely people will take it as a chance to "Arrow Hunt".
People will find a way to cheat the system if we are rellying on trust..
But if you put it that way, no system is fool proof. and the only way to stop this "Arrow Hunting" is for trust within the community. Therefore I still believe that this method may be the solution for agents who lose their seats due to DC issue.
I don't think 1 month trial period is good as it will give lots of ppl the chance to "arrow hunt". I think like 1 week? and I totally agree with ur statment as adjacent seats can vouch for someone but its also based on trust and integrity.
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